October 8, 2001
How I Discovered Selfishness
From: David Veksler <webmaster@c...> Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 12:14 am Subject: PHIL class response/Reaction to reaction to someone's reaction/My Life's Story/Command vs Autonomous Ethical Theory |
I have never been satisfied with the dominant "social" morality that I found surrounding me. What follows is my reaction to the various *fadeout waaaay back to my childhood....* Much of my childhood was spent in the former USSR, where the dominant morality was serving the State, -- blind faith in the actions of the State, and self-sacrifice of one's life- goals in exchange for the job which the state deemed you fit for. As an example, I remember, our teacher asking as what we wanted to do with our lives, and various kids in my 4th grade class said engineer, pilot, astronaut, etc. Then the teacher told us that that's all nice but we have to keep in mind that the State needs factory workers, potato pickers, etc, so we have to sacrifice our dreams, because the state knows what's best. Well, my parents didn't think that the State knew what was best, and they came to the U.S. shortly before the USSR collapsed because, as my dad told me long before the left --in America you decide what you want to do with your life. Because we were Jewish, we were quickly embraced by the Jewish community, and I, more that the rest of my family, discovered God with an intensity easily overshadowed the State. Even as a young child, perhaps because I was so young, I quickly adopted the idea that my life's purpose was to "serve God" and as I learned the horrors of the State (we lived close to Chernobyl for many years) I adopted what I thought was an Absolute (Divine Command Theory) in the form of the Ten Commandments, etc. The standard of value I adopted was God's Will, and the criteria I adopted was the ideal of the Torah (that's the Old Testament for you Christians) For several years I studied Jewish law in detail, including a summer-long trip to Israel. I learned a lot about Judaism, but I struggled to continually redefine my notion of God because I was unable to come to a logical notion of God, and I was unable to accept the idea that anything could be beyond my comprehension. *fadeout back to philosophy class...* So, when we talk about what it is that gives morals their meaning, I say that morals to not come from God or a vacuum. It is MAN that gives values meaning, and it's is his welfare that defines them. The basic criteria of values is therefore man's LIFE. Anything that furthers one's life is moral and good, and anything that detracts from life, is thus immoral, and can only lead to death. The only way to live a moral life is then to follow our selfish, rational self-interest, not momentary hedonistic pleasure, but the long-term happiness that comes from living a successful life.
David Veksler webmaster@c... ******************************** Aurelie Hardwick wrote: > I've been struggling with this class from day one. Not because the > topics or readings are difficult, but because my simple, sheltered > mind refuses to "open up" during class discussions. I realized the > extent of my problem just today. What follows probably isn't going to > seem noteworthy to most of you, but for me, it's a huge breakthrough. > > In Tuesday's class, we were discussing/debating the Divine Command > Theory and the Autonomy of Ethics position. As soon as I dutifully > copied the definitions for each in my notes, I realized that the > obvious theory for me to support was that of the Divine Command, > because I am a Christian, and aren't I supposed to believe that > /every/ good thing comes from God (morals certainly being good)? Since > then I've been searching all of my C.S. Lewis books for some profound > words to back up my "belief" in the idea that ethical principles are > commands of God. Frustratingly enough, I found nothing. So I decided > to read some more. While reading "What is Virtue" in our supplement > packet, I kept thinking about what Pro! fessor Pappas said about > someone being able to be a theist and still believe in the autonomy of > ethics. Now maybe I'm just really simple-minded and confused in my > thinking, but I think that if the whole idea of virtue can be separate > and distinct from God, then perhaps morals are separate from God also. > And I believe that the idea of virtue is very much separate from God. > There is a quote in the article ("What is Virtue") based on an > observation made by Aristotle that children "learn virtue by following > rules of good behavior, hearing stories of virtuous people...and > imitating virtuous models: parents, friends, and worthy public > figures." This doesn't say anything about learning virtue by watching > /religious, /or God-fearing people. This pointed out t! o me the > obvious fact that not everyone who has morals has them as merely a > by-product of their religion. I myself had morals long before I became > a Christian. Now I don't know if these non-religious people get their > morals from watching religious people acting on their morals, or from > determining that they should do "good" just for the sake of doing > "good." Either way, being non-religious, they probably aren't leading > moral lives because they feel commanded by God to do so. Reading on, I > came to this statement: "Sometimes virtues clash, as justice and > compassion often do. Choices must be made, one good placed above > another." Since choices have to be made between "goods," maybe God's > commands are like hints on! which "good" to choose, because He has > already made the choice for us (at least those of us who are > religious.) And He makes His decision from the choices that are > already there, apart from Him. So now I'm thinking that the idea of > virtue is clearly autonomous. And while I have no proof of this right > now, I'm going to say that if virtue is autonomous from God, and if > virtue is a "branch" of ethics, don't ethics (morality) have to be > autonomous from God also? > > (If anything I said sounded like total nonsense, y'all please go easy > on me. This is the first time I've allowed myself to think outside the > box- and it's really scary to be sharing this with all you > philosophers! Still, I would love to hear your comments, so I can try > to expand my thinking some more, and then hopefully clear things up.) > |